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Post by ◉◉NerO◉◉ on Mar 5, 2014 10:44:51 GMT 1
I should hope everyone has heard about Russia wanting to declare war against Ukraine?, it's been going on since around Sunday now, and I'm surprised no one has made a post about this, so hell, I'll make one.
I just want to hear you'r guy's opinions.
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Post by Kinetix on Mar 5, 2014 11:33:01 GMT 1
I have been talking about this since It started, The Russian army are dangerous, yes UK and America are ment to have the best technology and the best army in the world, but the Russia is massive.
Russia have the most powerful weapon in the world known to man, and they have the most nukes bombs, they do still use old technology, like the tanks, they are not too good at aircraft and flying though, so that is our advantage.
but in all honesty, if they do start a war, it will be a world war, America has been in touch with UK, Germany, and I think Frace are getting involved too.
David Cameron of the UK said to America and Germany and also to the Russian's that if Russia touch Ukraine, they will pay, but in different words.
I think that it's a made idea, yes America have a treaty with Ukraine since the 19th century, Ukraine have no defense at this moment in time, Russia have 150'000 soldiers surrounding ukraine, and Ukraine are screwed and defenseless.
I have been reading more updates today, and Russia are not backing down, They have had a few country's trying to get them to pull out of this, but they are not doing that, so hopefully they don't cause a world war, cause every living man will be sent out to war, from soldiers in the army, to people who where in the army to people who live at home and live a normal life.
If a world war start's, holy shit, be prepared for the worst cause Russia are naught son's of a bitches., that's all I have to say for now.
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Post by The Valeyard on Mar 5, 2014 18:35:37 GMT 1
◉◉NerO◉◉I've thought about making some political and cultured posts in the past but I didn't think y'alls would be interested. But yeah Kinetix, if Russia start a full scale war, then we are all seriously fucked, it could end life on Earth. Funny how I always thought China or something would start the next major war but now it looks like it's Russia. It's ever since Putin's been less bothered about shit and started doing stupid shit and doing things that to be honest are just plainly immoral and that's it. Unfortunately, Russia do have some powerful weapons and nukes. Although the US and probably other nations have some nukes, as Kinetix has pointed out, Russia has more nukes then anyone else. But also as Kinetix has pointed out, Russia aren't as good as some when it comes to their air force so we do have an advantage there, but Russia could anticipate that and to be honest, it's the most logical form of attack. Another positive we do have though is that although Russia have more troops than most of us, they're not quite as high quality as ours. For example, The SAS are likely to be the best troops in the entire world and America probably has some good shit as well. I can imagine Germany could do well in a war too, they did alright in WWII until resources began to run out and Hitler "lost his bottle", but they had little support from other nations and the majority of the world were against them. But with the US, UK and probably the rest of the EU along with a few other nations on their side, I can see them becoming an invaluable ally. As a good friend of mine once said, "It is better to have 5 great soldiers than 100 crap ones". Wise man. So while Russia's strength is in numbers, our strength would most likely be in skill and quality. At the end of the day though, I think we could be jumping the gun here. Putin (the president of Russia) is a fucking pussy with some stupid ideology's but hasn't the bottle enough to make much impact. Remember about a years ago all that fuss about North Korea and they said "oh yeah, we're totally gonna nuke you cuntz, do what I want!" and then fuck all happened because Jim's Long Knee or whatever he's called pussied out and all his missiles most likely fell into the sea or something? I could easily see this Russia thing turning out the same. However, North Korea are weak and small, Russia are large and strong so I could also see this starting a massive war. To be honest I wish Britain would stay out of these things as it's a waste of resources, money and precious lives but on the other hand if Russia don't have anyone to make an example out of them, then I could see them doing what the Nazis did in the second world war; keep taking over because no one was gonna stop them. So in the future, they could threaten Britain and even the world eventually. And I really don't want to spend the rest of my days eating turnips and old bread. But in a worst case scenario, this could start the third world war and if this does start WWIII, it will undoubtedly be the worst war in the history of the world and billions if not more people will die. Kinetix for example is an army reserve so I could unfortunately see him dying at some point in a horrible manner. I probably wouldn't be drafted for the same reason Captain America wasn't until he did that experiment, I'm too weak, feeble and I'd probably refuse anyway, it's not something I'd want to get involved in. Would be funny if WWII started this year because it's the 100th anniversary of the beginning of the first world war. But I doubt it will get that bad, if it does I could see Russia or someone resorting to nuclear and chemical weapons and killing all life on Earth. And you know what that would mean, NO MORE RICK ASTLEY!
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Post by Kinetix on Mar 5, 2014 19:45:52 GMT 1
Yeah we will be screwed if Russia go to war, they are really dangerous, I know this as I got a high grades in history, I love army and war and the history of it.
Yes, Americans and UK and Germany have powerful weapons too, but the fact is Russia have a great number of them, and like you said, they would destroy life on earth if they wanted to, and that would be the end.
That also makes me think, I signed up for the navy, if a world war does start, I'd get taken into training right away, so I need to be prepared for that, cause if a war was to start America, UK, German and maybe France will need all the help they could get, just like the 19th century.
I just can't get out of my head why America and UK have a treaty with Ukraine, yes they are a shitt contry (no offcence) they have no defense, why don't they just give Russia what they want, or even better, come to and agreement, a war is not needed not in this century, if a war happened in the 2000s all hell would break loose, it's the modern day, the war would go on for many, and i mean many of years.
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Post by Kinetix on Mar 5, 2014 19:49:53 GMT 1
Double post.
Something else has also came to mind what I should mention, and I find it scary, when Russia where going to declare war, my dad said to me..
"Wayne son, You might be in the navy very soon, what if this all happened, what if this happened becuase it's your turn to contine the Denison tradition in the navy, and become a hero like my dad (my granddad)"
When I said that I was shocked and never thought it would come to mind.
My dad think's if it happens this is my time to shine, my granddad became a navy hero and became a prisoner of war and the last survivor of the navy team after the 2nd world war and others, what if this was my time to shine and follow my granddads footsteps and become someone like him?
To me, it creeped me out, but hey my granddad put fate to the test, but now my dad thinks fate is going to put me to the test if this war starts.
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Post by The Valeyard on Mar 5, 2014 20:15:52 GMT 1
Indeed we will. What grade did you get in History? I used to get good grades in year 9 when it was about Nazis and the military but now in GCSE when it's about cowboys and medicines, I'm getting E grades. But yeah, military is interesting. Really though at heart, I'm more into politics than history. Indeed, I wonder why we have a treaty with them, at the end of the day they're just a third world country. God yeah, You'd definitely be the first to have to get out there if war stared and note that the Russians are probably alright when it comes to military so....... Thing is though you really have got to ask yourself what do you want to do? Now things are getting real and you living under the constant threat of being taken into the reserves at any moment, do you really want to do this? Do you really want to risk your life over a load of bullshit third world countries? It's good that your grandfather was a war hero and it's good you and your dad are inspired and look up to him, but at the end of the day, you're not your grandfather and you can have a different life to his. No offense, but I'm slightly getting the message that your dad sort of played a strong influence in your decision to join the reserves and while it's great you want to help your country and even the world, at the end of the day you shouldn't be trying to live up to your grandfather's legacy, you can do good for this world differently. It's great that you want to do this and it's good that your dad is encouraging you, but at the end of the day you are your own man, you can do what you want. Are you sure you could face getting up at ungodly hours in bad conditions and if it came to it, could you really kill an enemy soldier? Most of these people are just other soldiers like you with families and loved ones, only difference is they ended up on the other team. I'm not saying you're a mug or anything, in fact I think you're a brave man with a great deal of respect for your ancestors and your family and you also have a great deal of intelligence, I'm just saying now this is getting real, you should re-evaluate your options and if you do decide to leave the reserves (or at least when you can), you shouldn't be scarred of rejection from ANYONE.
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Post by Kinetix on Mar 5, 2014 20:35:24 GMT 1
I got a B grade in History when I finished school, I know too much about history and also America make a treaty with Ukraine because Ukraine have never and will never be a country to protect them selves, they have always had trouble, so once upon a time, America and UK signed a treaty after the world wars, because they have a crappy army, they are defenseless and they are not wealth, it's like all country's have to protect a smaller and shitty country. back in the 19th century when the wars where over and peace was brought to us all.
I know what you are saying there, it is up to me if I really want to go and really risk my life for my family, friends and the world, I applied a few month ago now, so there would be no reason why the Navy don't get in touch very soon for instant training, cause our forces would need all the help they can get.
I'm not making my self to be a hero, but if my grandad was a hero to France and America and the UK, and has been all over the world in papers and news I'm sure it runs in my blood.
My granddad wanted my dad or uncle to enter the navy to continue, but they didn't, and after time when the war was over and my granddad died, if you guy's remember his last words he said to MY DAD was .. "Where is Wayne? He is the one to continue our fate" then died, it got me thinking and has right this second as I speak about it.
Yes it's a hard decision, but if the world needs a helping hand, I will do it, I am a fighter, and if my dad and granddad are right, it is my fate to become what he was and what he did, now that put's shit loads of pressure on me.
What if the war started? and my family died along with me? My name and my whole family's name will not live on anymore, it's down to me and me only now, but then again the Russian's could end it all.
This has put me under pressure, but what creeped me the most is, my granddad put fate to the test, but why would fate put me to the test?
To see if I can face fears? to see what I'm made of? or to see if I am a hero like my granddad, yes this is old news, but you never think back, you think forward, and what if this war does start, that's what has me.
the world would never be the same, ever if it comes to a loss or victory.
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Post by The Valeyard on Mar 5, 2014 23:27:34 GMT 1
I got a B grade in History when I finished school, I know too much about history and also America make a treaty with Ukraine because Ukraine have never and will never be a country to protect them selves, they have always had trouble, so once upon a time, America and UK signed a treaty after the world wars, because they have a crappy army, they are defenseless and they are not wealth, it's like all country's have to protect a smaller and shitty country. back in the 19th century when the wars where over and peace was brought to us all. I know what you are saying there, it is up to me if I really want to go and really risk my life for my family, friends and the world, I applied a few month ago now, so there would be no reason why the Navy don't get in touch very soon for instant training, cause our forces would need all the help they can get. I'm not making my self to be a hero, but if my grandad was a hero to France and America and the UK, and has been all over the world in papers and news I'm sure it runs in my blood. My granddad wanted my dad or uncle to enter the navy to continue, but they didn't, and after time when the war was over and my granddad died, if you guy's remember his last words he said to MY DAD was .. "Where is Wayne? He is the one to continue our fate" then died, it got me thinking and has right this second as I speak about it. Yes it's a hard decision, but if the world needs a helping hand, I will do it, I am a fighter, and if my dad and granddad are right, it is my fate to become what he was and what he did, now that put's shit loads of pressure on me. What if the war started? and my family died along with me? My name and my whole family's name will not live on anymore, it's down to me and me only now, but then again the Russian's could end it all. This has put me under pressure, but what creeped me the most is, my granddad put fate to the test, but why would fate put me to the test? To see if I can face fears? to see what I'm made of? or to see if I am a hero like my granddad, yes this is old news, but you never think back, you think forward, and what if this war does start, that's what has me. the world would never be the same, ever if it comes to a loss or victory. Grade B, shit that's high! I have a friend (who's starting to remind me of you) that's also getting Bs but is aiming for As, he loves his history and definitely knows more than me. We always used to sort of "compete" to see who knew more and who got better grades and so on, but I think it's clear he's won and I've just given up, especially since I hate History class now with a passion. The topics we did in GCSE was The American West for most of the first year and then again for about a fifth of it or so (I hate the American West, it's so boring), then we did Vietnam for like the last term or half term of the first year but we got loads of lessons off because at the end of school years, there's like loads of special shit going on. Vietnam was also boring but it's because we had shit teachers. The final topic is Medicine through Time which is a load of bull too although we got a slightly better teacher, but by now I'm too far gone and destined to completely fail the course. You're a brave man with good morals. I just don't want you to do this solely to live up to your grandfathers expectations, but if it's in your heart which it seems to be, then this is definitely right for you. I just wouldn't want you to risk your life for that reason. It's admirable that you'd do this though and be willing to. I'm glad there's good people like you willing to risk your life to do good. If you do get called out unexpectidly though, I just want you to know I think you're a brave man with a good set of morals, and is also very creative, funny and sexy.
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Post by Kinetix on Mar 5, 2014 23:45:55 GMT 1
Haha, I love the history man, I'd happily give him a competition haha! most people do find it boring, but I think it's awesome, just shows you how much things have changed and how it used to be! it's interesting.
Thank's dude, You have to be brave, I have been for a while now, I have had some shit in my time, I'm brought up in Newcastle, and in a rough area, personally, I had to earn some respect, since I came from London originally (my mams side) and blah, blah, blah, time goes on now I do boxing, I have done for almost a year now, need to keep on top of your game.
Yes I still smoke weed, but I CAN stop that if I really wanted to, but that means more training at boxing, cause I have a slight does of anger problems, but if push comes to shove, I will do it and risk my life.
I find this all creepy, once again, but for some reason, I don't feel any fear, I feel ready for this shit to happen, IF it comes to that and I do have to go and join the navy for quick training for a war to start.
I bet I'm not the only one in this situation, there could be many, many of people risking and on about the same thing as me, I feel it in my blood as we speak, and have done for a few days since this has all started to happen, I feel strong enough to do this.
If push comes to shove, I'd try it alone if I had to, just like my granddad did when he got captured by the germans, the only crew member left of his ship, and it was the first gun ship made, he broke loose in prison, disarmed a gaurd and freed other prisoners in the camp, injured and shot, bleeding to death, the American 8's came and saved the rest of them including my granddad, and he survived and died in 2001, dude, that's a Hollywood block buster right here.
Imagine if I continued that? I'm not saying I'm as good as him and I could do what he did, but Imagine if this actually did happen, the world was at war, it would be one hell of an experience.
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Post by The Valeyard on Mar 5, 2014 23:54:34 GMT 1
Haha, I love the history man, I'd happily give him a competition haha! most people do find it boring, but I think it's awesome, just shows you how much things have changed and how it used to be! it's interesting. Thank's dude, You have to be brave, I have been for a while now, I have had some shit in my time, I'm brought up in Newcastle, and in a rough area, personally, I had to earn some respect, since I came from London originally (my mams side) and blah, blah, blah, time goes on now I do boxing, I have done for almost a year now, need to keep on top of your game. Yes I still smoke weed, but I CAN stop that if I really wanted to, but that means more training at boxing, cause I have a slight does of anger problems, but if push comes to shove, I will do it and risk my life. I find this all creepy, once again, but for some reason, I don't feel any fear, I feel ready for this shit to happen, IF it comes to that and I do have to go and join the navy for quick training for a war to start. I bet I'm not the only one in this situation, there could be many, many of people risking and on about the same thing as me, I feel it in my blood as we speak, and have done for a few days since this has all started to happen, I feel strong enough to do this. If push comes to shove, I'd try it alone if I had to, just like my granddad did when he got captured by the germans, the only crew member left of his ship, and it was the first gun ship made, he broke loose in prison, disarmed a gaurd and freed other prisoners in the camp, injured and shot, bleeding to death, the American 8's came and saved the rest of them including my granddad, and he survived and died in 2001, dude, that's a Hollywood block buster right here. Imagine if I continued that? I'm not saying I'm as good as him and I could do what he did, but Imagine if this actually did happen, the world was at war, it would be one hell of an experience. I used to feel the same, but really only wars interest me, and it can't be modern wars like Vietnam (although I love the Nazis). When I look at very old photos and watch films from like 1910 or something that also interests me and I collect old militaria and antique furniture (although the militaria is more my dad than me, it's a defining interest for him but really it's only a secondary or even a thirdary (I know that's not a word. ) interest. You and my history friend would probably get on, he's often doing things like quoting Julious Ceaser and shit. He's competitive so you two would certainly get along. Well then, good luck my man, I hope it all works out for you and I hope your survive.
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Post by Kinetix on Mar 6, 2014 0:04:05 GMT 1
Yeah, the world war is great subject to learn about, history is good! You should look into some of it man, honestly, good for the brain to know. Yeah, well I won't get along with him if he's competitive, cause I am too, I'm very competitive, so I'd end up kicking his ass from one side to the other, shimples. Thank's I'm not sure what is going on yet, but it is a big possibility that it could happen, I might have to go in quick training, along with many others who have just singed up, but I guess we have to wait and see really dude, but thank's, I'll try not to die, as long as my brain skills work as good in real life as a shooting game on Xbox, dude, I'll the best best and a world hero.
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Post by ◉◉NerO◉◉ on Mar 6, 2014 9:52:21 GMT 1
Damn you guy's have been talking serious about this! But anyway, I was ready that Russia HAVE declared war against Ukraine, but mean while things are trying to get sorted out, but by the look's of things the Russian's want this war to happen, they are telling Europe to stay out of it for their own safety. Witch is true, cause they would swipe Europe off the map, along with several others, so I do agree on you guy's Russia are a dangerous country and army. All America and UK need to do is declare war against Russia for Ukraine safety, but will it happen? or will thing's get sorted? I'm not sure, I do and will be keeping update thought, cause this is a big and serious matter, I don't want to sound mean, but fuck Ukraine, let them suffer and get invaded, they started all of this anyway. Kinetix Also a word to you, I forgot you even sent your application away to the navy, and damn, it will be a very high percentage that you will be sent in to quick training if a war does start and collide, and if that does happen, damn son, I wish you the biggest luck anyone could ask for, cause for one you need it and for two your a top fella, we just don't want a good friend to leave us for good and never return if it starts and ends.
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Post by The Valeyard on Mar 6, 2014 18:09:46 GMT 1
Yeah, the world war is great subject to learn about, history is good! You should look into some of it man, honestly, good for the brain to know. Yeah, well I won't get along with him if he's competitive, cause I am too, I'm very competitive, so I'd end up kicking his ass from one side to the other, shimples. Thank's I'm not sure what is going on yet, but it is a big possibility that it could happen, I might have to go in quick training, along with many others who have just singed up, but I guess we have to wait and see really dude, but thank's, I'll try not to die, as long as my brain skills work as good in real life as a shooting game on Xbox, dude, I'll the best best and a world hero. Meh, apart from world wars I find it boring lately. used to be more interested, but my enthusiasm has completely drained. Another annoying thing is that my dad's a bit of a fanatic who's obsessed with history and things, and I just find him annoying these days. He's not overly competitive and not in a nasty way, just a mild friendly competition. Trust me, you two have quite a bit in common, you two might like each other. But you'll never meet, so it doesn't matter. Well if you die, I'll kill you!
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Post by The Valeyard on Mar 6, 2014 18:12:07 GMT 1
Damn you guy's have been talking serious about this! But anyway, I was ready that Russia HAVE declared war against Ukraine, but mean while things are trying to get sorted out, but by the look's of things the Russian's want this war to happen, they are telling Europe to stay out of it for their own safety. Witch is true, cause they would swipe Europe off the map, along with several others, so I do agree on you guy's Russia are a dangerous country and army. All America and UK need to do is declare war against Russia for Ukraine safety, but will it happen? or will thing's get sorted? I'm not sure, I do and will be keeping update thought, cause this is a big and serious matter, I don't want to sound mean, but fuck Ukraine, let them suffer and get invaded, they started all of this anyway. Kinetix Also a word to you, I forgot you even sent your application away to the navy, and damn, it will be a very high percentage that you will be sent in to quick training if a war does start and collide, and if that does happen, damn son, I wish you the biggest luck anyone could ask for, cause for one you need it and for two your a top fella, we just don't want a good friend to leave us for good and never return if it starts and ends. lol, we have. I've heard Russia and the US have begun to talk so this is good, it means a peaceful solution could be reached. And hopefully, a peaceful solution would indeed happen and war will be avoided!
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Post by Kinetix on Mar 7, 2014 10:32:53 GMT 1
Yeah let's hope they do, I don't think a modern war would be good for the world, it would take years to end and plus the world would be total mess and that would mean more money needs to be used and we all know what the world is like for money these days.
Let's just hope it is sorted, I'm gonna search for more updates.
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Post by The Valeyard on Mar 7, 2014 18:07:32 GMT 1
Indeed.
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Post by ◉◉NerO◉◉ on Mar 8, 2014 12:07:36 GMT 1
I have not heard anything just yet, maybe because I have not heard anything, but by the look's of thing's I hope it has and does calm down.
so, this might be a good sign, have you guy's heard of anything?
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Post by The Valeyard on Mar 8, 2014 20:33:05 GMT 1
Indeed!
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